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should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:06 am

If it is deleted, there will be virtually no record of this four year hunk of my life. Peeps...please go to the site and chime in on the discussion if you feel this is a hidden corner of West Virginia's history that deserves a little light!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountainet ... io_Network
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Hoosier Daddy » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:17 pm

I don't understand why they'd delete this. Was a complaint filed? And if so, by who?

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:00 pm

Hoosier Daddy wrote:I don't understand why they'd delete this. Was a complaint filed? And if so, by who?

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no complaint was noted. but...ask yourself...is there someone who would just as soon everyone assumes HE created the first statewide radio network in WV?
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Scott Reppert » Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:10 pm

I didn't see any problem with any of the information included. Could it have external links? That would be a plus. Could it be a little better formatted/written? Sure, but it gets the point across the way it is. Everything looked good to me, so I don't see why anyone would want it off. I did fill out the "rating" areas and selected "It is part of my profession" as the basis for my knowledge on the subject (seeing as how WTCS was an affiliate)...
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Lester » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:03 pm

I'm still going back to: did someone say it would be deleted, or are you just that certain that WV's Republican "boogey man" is going to erase your page?

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Lester » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:28 pm

Ohhh... I see.
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I don't think John Raese or any of his henchmen would go to this level to create a fake entity to erase your Mountainet page. His complaint appears to be, as is with most Wikinazi's out there, you've based an online "encyclopedia" entry entirely on uncitable sources. You told a story, as you remember it, with no way to officially back it up.

That said, it doesn't make your story wrong or worthless, nor does it mean your page needs deleted. I think you did a great job. I totally expected a WVRC deathrant when you first posted, and it wasn't.

So... now... as a collective group here at the forum... how do we establish some sort of credibility to Joel's page? Jeff Miller *MIGHT* be a good starting point. Anyone else have any suggestions?

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Tom Taggart » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:06 pm

Most of the material may not be "on-line" but I would assume there is a story or two in some of the larger newspapers in the state from that era.

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Hoosier Daddy » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:25 pm

The only name I could suggest is Jeff MIller. I'm not intimately familiar with the Wikipedia submission criteria, but Joel was part of the Mountainet operation when it started and he lived the entire experience first-hand. What he submitted isn't a 23rd generation folk story. He was there. That ought to count for something. Is there any way he could be credited for that first-hand knowledge?

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:45 pm

Tom Taggart wrote:Most of the material may not be "on-line" but I would assume there is a story or two in some of the larger newspapers in the state from that era.
Sunday Gazette-Mail columnist Fanny Seiler told a lot of the narrative in the months leading up to Mountainet, and to the efforts by Raese and his toady Dale Miller to destroy us (at first leading us to believe he was wanting to be an investor, and our financial savior), after the 1984 Senate loss to Rockefeller. I was also a Gazette columnist after I left Mountainet, and I devoted one of my weekly columns to its near-demise, which my former boss Paul Rose took exception to (in particular, he didn't like me calling it a "fledgling" network, four years after its inception).

Thanks for the complements on how I fashioned the Wikipedia article! I put my emotions and opinions in check, and attempted to use my best unbiased reporting skills to just tell the basic facts, hoping that others would add their recollections and perspectives, and that those with better knowledge of computer code could "wikify" the entry.
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:19 am

Hoosier Daddy wrote:The only name I could suggest is Jeff MIller. I'm not intimately familiar with the Wikipedia submission criteria, but Joel was part of the Mountainet operation when it started and he lived the entire experience first-hand. What he submitted isn't a 23rd generation folk story. He was there. That ought to count for something. Is there any way he could be credited for that first-hand knowledge?

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I've asked Jeff to consult with his old WJLS cohort Bill O'Brien, and with Bob Cannon if he's still around somewhere. They were there at the beginning, and were our constant cheerleaders through the entire experience.
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:33 pm

ok...here is "advice" i just got from the guy who is challenging the worth of the Wikipedia entry:

I am going to give you a few tips that would help keep this page here on Wikipedia.

First off, the page needs as many third-party reliable sources as possible. Can't say that enough.

Speaking to someone at a newspaper or some guy who worked for the network doesn't help, because this is considered original research. The information needs to come from a website for a newspaper or radio or television network.

Don't quote blogs as these are written with information that could be copied from God only knows where or just gotten from "some guy", this isn't verifiable. It has to be reliable, like the Charleston Gazette or the Dominion Post or WOWK-TV or WSAZ-TV. You can take information from nationally known magazines as well, as long as they have a link to the article online (it helps, trust me).

Try not to write something as if it was an advertisment. This is severely frowned upon and is covered under WP:ADVERT as well.

Most importantly, it has to meet the General notability guideline. If it doesn't, it is out. Think of it like this: some guy's garage band with 6 fans wouldn't pass the GNG, but Linkin Park or Frank Sinatra, they pass the GNG. Think of it that way.

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:46 pm

Since the initial message, the guy suggested that I go to the Gazette archives or the Charleston library and look up sources on microfilm. But, I really don't have the time to do this (who would?), and my own ego is not sufficient reason to make the effort. Is there some way Jeff can put together research that could have the footnotes they're looking for?

In the meantime, I will resign myself to the fact that this entry will be gone in a matter of days. I have saved the text to my computer, but Mountainet will apparently no longer exist anywhere in cyberspace, only in our memories!
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:11 am

Latest update from my end: I emailed the executive director of the WVBA about whether its newsletters are archived. This could both give source material that Mountainet really did exist, and provide general historical perspective for Jeff and other researchers.
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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Hoosier Daddy » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:18 am

Keep at it, Joel ... at least as much as you are able. I remember Mountainet and I can sense the pride in your writing when you talk about what all of you did in that organization. Wish I had some references to contribute to help out ...

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by Lester » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:39 pm

Found you one:

"The network also employed a fulltime reporter at the state capital of Charleston, Nancy Hill (later known professionally as Nancy Bulla) and administrative coordinator Diane Cary. Sportscasts were initially voiced by Browning."
citation: http://statejournal.com/story.cfm?func= ... ryid=91396

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Re: should Mountainet be deleted from Wikipedia?

Post by the jive talkin one » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:15 pm

Lester wrote:Found you one:

"The network also employed a fulltime reporter at the state capital of Charleston, Nancy Hill (later known professionally as Nancy Bulla) and administrative coordinator Diane Cary. Sportscasts were initially voiced by Browning."
citation: http://statejournal.com/story.cfm?func= ... ryid=91396
Great! and THANKS!!! now, can you go to the page and put the citation on there? I have no clue on how to do that!
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